Larry King Live
The Power of Positive Thoughts, pt 1
Aired November 2, 2006 - 21:00 ET
Featuring: Bob Proctor, John Assaraf, Dr. John Demartini, Dr.
Michael Beckwith and JZ Knight
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LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, unhappy with your love, your job,
your life, not enough money? Use your head. You can think yourself
into a lot better you. Positive thoughts can transform can attract
the good things you know you want. Sound far-fetched? Think again.
It's supported by science.
Ahead, an hour that can change the way you think about the world
and alter your life forever. It's next on LARRY KING LIVE.
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KING: Good evening.
A special edition of LARRY KING LIVE tonight; we're calling the
program beyond the power of positive thinking, how to change your
life, how to use the power of your imagination, and mine, to create
what you want in your life.
Our guests can help you do that. They are Bob Proctor, who went
from high school dropout to best-selling author. He spent the
last 40 years coaching individuals on how to attain their life
John Assaraf, as a teenager John risked the potentially fatal
consequences of a turbulent lifestyle which could have easily
landed him in jail or the morgue. But today, he's written a "New
York Times" best-selling book and built four multimillion
Michael Beckwith, founder and spiritual director of the Agape
International Spiritual Center, which celebrates its 20 anniversary
John DeMartini, the founder of the DeMartini Foundation and the
Concourse of Wisdom School, one of the world's largest personal
and professional development organizations.
And, JZ Knight, the (INAUDIBLE) member of our group is CEO of
JZ K. Inc. and author of her autobiography "A State of Mind."
We'll start with Mr. Proctor. We're calling the show the power
of positive thinking. Define that for me.
BOB PROCTOR, BEST-SELLING AUTHOR: Well, there is power to positive
thinking if you internalize it. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding
on it. People they think if they just think positive the world's
going to change.
It's not going to change. What they're going to do is heighten
their frustration because they're looking for change and it doesn't
happen. We think on our conscious mind, on a conscious level.
It's our educated mind but it's the subconscious mind that's controlling
the vibration we're in, controlling the results we're getting.
So, if the positive thinking is going to change our life, we've
got to internalize those positive thoughts, not the easiest thing
to do but you can do it.
KING: How do you harness that, John Assaraf?
JOHN ASSARAF, CO-FOUNDER, ONECOACH: I think you've got to make
a decision, Larry, you know. We've got two choices to make with
whatever the situation is. Number one, it could be negative or
it could be positive. Our choice is what makes the biggest difference
in all of the equation is making the choice to look at something
positively, even though the negative side is there. I think that's
what we have to do.
KING: Michael Beckwith, was Dr. Norman Vincent Peale's famous
book, "The Power of Positive Thinking," was that too
REV. MICHAEL BECKWITH, FOUNDER, AGAPE INTERNATIONAL SPIRITUAL
CENTER: Well, I didn't read that for a number of years. I entered
into this way of teaching because I had a spiritual awakening
and began to see that we were surrounded by a presence, an energy,
a life force, call it God, call it the divine energy.
KING: He called it God, right?
BECKWITH: Yes. And that through that immersion into that awareness
I began to see that, yes, there is power in your thinking but
it's not positive thinking. You know you could be positive that
you're broke. You can be positive that you're rich.
So it's really, I call it affirmative thinking, having an affirmative
realization that the nature of the universe is good and when you
surrender to it, when you align yourself with it, when you embody,
as Bob Proctor was talking about, as you internalize it, then
your life begins to change.
KING: You're saying, John DeMartini that this is doable?
JOHN DEMARTINI, FOUNDER, DEMARTINI FOUNDATION: Not only is it
doable but we do it every day because what happens is the quality
of our life is based on the quality of the questions we ask and
it's not what happens to us on the outside. It's how we ask questions
and filter it and perceive it on the inside.
And so, we have an event and we ask how is that event that we
think is so terrible, how does it serve us and how does it help
us fulfill what is really most important to our life? Then what
happens is we transform through the perception of that action
into an opportunity that we can now use as a resource for our
life. KING: Where do you learn this, Ms. Knight?
JZ KNIGHT, RAMTHA'S SCHOOL OF ENLIGHTENMENT: I don't subscribe
to positive thinking because that would suggest that we're all
negative and the connotation of negative is that we're all bad.
And it's difficult enough to survive in the world and have self-esteem
without thinking that you have to think positive because you're
KING: What do you call it?
KNIGHT: I call it being wonderful.
KING: What's the law of attraction, Bob?
PROCTOR: The law of attraction is based on the law of vibration.
The whole universe operates by laws. Dr. Werhner von Braun said
that the laws are so precise that we don't have any difficult
building spaceships, sending people to the moon and you can time
the landing with the precision of a fraction of a second. But,
attraction and vibration are hooked together. The vibration we're
in is determined by the ideas that you're emotionally involved
KING: And how do you grab that, Michael?
BECKWITH: You need to have a vision for your life. Most of the
time people are concentrating on what they don't want to happen.
They can articulate it very well. "I hope this never happens
to me." And when you ask the average person they don't know
exactly what they want. They cannot describe a reality they want
to live in.
Now when you begin to describe it and begin to generate those
kind of feelings that you're already living in it, the universe
will compel you into right action. You'll begin to do things differently.
KING: Dr. DeMartini, does this apply to the law of physics? Are
we talking about something that you could look it up in a book?
DEMARTINI: Yes, actually, because what happens just like in the
law of life and the law of physics, just like a magnet has two
sides and if you try to get rid of one side of the magnet, the
negative side, it keeps following you. You always have two sides.
So, you have to be able to take both sides and use them to your
KING: JZ if the day is cloudy or rainy and we're bothered by
that we're determining to be bothered by that right?
KNIGHT: Absolutely. Absolutely.
KING: We're making it. If rain ain't doing it, we're doing it.
KNIGHT: We're doing it. We are creating the nature of our reality
by what we choose, how we choose to think about our life and the
KING: Coming up, wouldn't you like to be excited about your day
when you wake up instead of being stressed? Find out how to make
it possible next.
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BECKWITH: And from the very being, the nature of your being,
you must say "So what?" That's the strongest affirmation
that you'll ever hear.
When I was quite young attending college there were two things
going on simultaneously. One, I was having a spiritual breakthrough,
a spiritual opening while, at the same time, I was ending a career
in selling marijuana.
The real miracle of living is when you're no longer intoxicated
by praise or depressed by un-appreciation.
And, I just started crying. I just started sobbing and I turned
my life over to God, surrendered my life to the universe, surrendered
my life to love, to be an instrument to bring about love and harmony
and peace, however the presence wanted to use me. My life would
be dedicated to that for the rest of my life.
And if you begin to open up through your affirmation so what!
You'll begin to move into the consciousness of what's so. So what
contains the what so.
There's a dimension of us that has never been hurt, harmed, or
endangered in any way and with intention, with practice, with
love, prayer, meditation, you can uncover that dimension of your
life that has no beginning and has no end and let it shine in
What is so? God has always loved you. What is so? Wholeness is
inside of your being. What is so? Infinite supply surrounds you.
What is so? It doesn't matter who's in the White House. Who's
in your house? Who's in your house? Who's in your house?
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KING: We're back with this extraordinary panel and we're learning
how to make things better in our lives. We can't do better than
that for you.
Michael Beckwith, what are some simple steps a person can do
to change his or her own life?
BECKWITH: Well, first of all, when we think about what reality
is, we think about this unified field of awareness that's everywhere
that's operating for us. So, what an individual has to do they
have to begin to have an inner talk of uplift, men of inspiration
of affirmation, begin to agree with themselves that it can be
KING: Every day?
BECKWITH: Every single day. It has to be a practice until that
practice becomes a way of life. KING: What do you do though, John
Assaraf, about bad events, I mean terrible events, your house
ASSARAF: Yes. Everything that happens to us we have a choice
again of making a decision how we perceive that and how we react
to that. And we can have our house burning right in front of us
and things could be devastating in front of us but our decision
to interpret that is what makes the entire difference and we always
have that choice.
KING: That seems, Bob, like a hard thing to learn.
PROCTOR: It is a hard thing to learn. And, I was thinking as
John was talking about it, I was taking my mind back to when I
was always focused on what was wrong, the bad circumstances they
dominated my thinking. It took a long time to change it.
I had Earl Nightingale's record. I played it over and over and
PROCTOR: Earl is a good friend. I worked with Earl for five years
in Chicago. But it was the repetition of listening to that that
changed it. That's how it was programmed in the first place. That's
how it can be changed.
I think that JZ was mentioning the secret. There's a movie "The
Secret." If a person would keep watching it over and over
again they will reprogram their mind.
KNIGHT: But also, if I may interject here, there is a beauty
that rises up in us, a greater mind that rises up in it that comes
to the surface that is all beauty and originality.
KING: Are you saying you don't have bad days?
KNIGHT: I have bad days if I decide to feel sorry for myself.
BECKWITH: When we begin to think in a particular way it definitely
overrides and transcends those genetic...
PROCTOR: Your thoughts.
BECKWITH: And to grow in this way simply means that we're eliminating
the filters. We're eliminating the obstructions. We're eliminating
the faulty beliefs. We're not adding anything to us whatsoever.
All spiritual growth and all growth towards success or progress
is an elimination of that which is hindering.
ASSARAF: And we are genetically wired a certain way and 50 percent
of our propensity is the way we think and behave are genetic in
nature. Then we're raised by the same people who gave us their
genetics. And so we get conditioned to believe and think and behave
consistently day in and day out. We call it a self fulfilling
doom that we get into.
And the first part is awareness. The first part is awareness
that I don't have to live this way anymore. I don't have to do
this anymore. I don't have to think this way anymore and become
aware of it. That's number one.
Then you set a new vision for yourself and scientifically just
the latest brain research suggests that it takes at least 30 days
of mental reprogramming to start seeing the differentiation between
your old self and the new self.
KING: John DeMartini, one of the definitions of insanity is repeating
the same act expecting a different result. If that's true, first
of all, half the globe is insane, right? We all have done that.
DEMARTINI: Or asleep.
KING: Can you break that?
DEMARTINI: Yes. Every human being has a set of values and through
those values they filter their reality. Whatever is highest on
their value they tend to bring discipline and order to and they
tend to focus on them spontaneously, innately.
Whatever is lowest on their value they tend to have chaos around
and disorder around. And, if they're trying to set objectives
that is not really truly aligned to their highest values, they
tend to self defeat because they tend to unconsciously keep creating
what's really on their value system. So, when you set objectives,
if you don't set them congruently and aligned with your highest
values, you tend to self defeat and have negative self talk.
KING: But to change you have to want to change, right?
DEMARTINI: You have to identify and set objectives according
to what's truly valuable to you, what's truly inspiring to you,
or you're automatically going to have the feedback system called
the negative thought I think personally.
PROCTOR: I think all you have to do is become aware that you
can change. I didn't think I could change.
KING: What changed you?
PROCTOR: "Think and Grow Rich," the book and Ray Stanford,
a guy that got me to read it and he convinced me that I could
do better than I was doing. I think I believed in his belief in
me. I didn't believe in me. But he was so adamant that I could
do better and he said, "Just read the book and do what it
says." And I started to read it and that's what led me into
Earl's material, one thing to another and I changed.
KING: What did you, Michael, what changed you?
BECKWITH: Well, in terms of change one of my favorite statements
is pain pushes you until the vision pulls you. So, you grow in
two ways either through pain or through insight.
So, some people will get sick and tired of being sick and tired
and begin to make that decision, begin to articulate a vision
for their life, begin to walk in that direction.
Others will have insight, an ah-hah will happen to them and they'll
see life in a much wider perspective and then from that wider
perspective make a decision to begin to walk.
KING: Are we to blame, John, for most of the time for what happens
ASSARAF: Are we to blame? Well, we can blame other people and
that's the easy thing to do because we can point the finger.
KING: That rat.
ASSARAF: Yes, we can just blame everybody else. There are certain
things that happen to us, Larry, that are inconvenient that we
don't like and we can put blame on somebody else or ourselves.
I think we've got to take full responsibility for our reality
and how we approach anything that happens to us.
KNIGHT: I agree.
PROCTOR: I don't think we're to be blamed. We're not to be blamed
for our programming but we're responsible for changing it.
BECKWITH: Absolutely. Yes, I don't like to use the word blame.
No one is to blame but ignorance.
PROCTOR: That's right.
BECKWITH: Ignorance is the only thing that is to blame. And once
you enter into he awareness of forgiveness releasing shame, blame,
and regret, you can change your life.
KING: John DeMartini, does it require brains?
DEMARTINI: You know I think...
KING: I mean you have to be smart to do this.
DEMARTINI: I think that it requires awareness.
DEMARTINI: But I think the greatest awareness occurs when we're
grateful and our heart is open.
KING: Just ahead can you really wish for your soul mate and find
him? Our panel knows how to make it happen. They'll share it with
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PROCTOR: You know when a person has no hope they are lost, absolutely
lost. I was losing. I was unhappy. I was sick. I was broke. I
think I was earning $4,000 a year and I owed $6,000.
For the first time I realized that I had choices. I could choose
what I wanted to do. Now it was vague and I didn't have a whole
lot of confidence in it but I was starting to know it.
It took me nine years to figure out what I had actually done
to change but I found out something interesting. Most people that
are highly successful cannot articulate on why they are.
If you don't make the hard decisions you have wasted your time
coming here. You know what the decisions are. I don't know what
they are for you but you know what they are.
Positive thinking is nothing if you don't internalize it and
you don't internalize it once. It's through repetition
It's your life. You only get one bite at the apple. If you don't
treat you right, who's going to?
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KING: OK, we'll start with John DeMartini in this. How do you
find the true love of your life?
DEMARTINI: Well, I'm going to say something that's probably different
than a lot of people. But I really believe that we are actually
surrounded by it and it's either in one form, in one person, or
we diversified it to a group of people in our lives but every
KING: Six soul mates?
DEMARTINI: Our soul mate. Every single thing that we're searching
for we unconsciously are creating around us but sometimes if we've
had extreme pain associated with a relationship with one person
we diversify all the things that we like into people around us.
KING: You've lost your wife, right?
DEMARTINI: Yes, my wife passed away about just under two years
KING: Now are you on a search?
DEMARTINI: Well, it's interesting. Six weeks before she passed
away she held my hand and she looked me straight in the eyes and
she said, "It's now time to look for another star woman,
another star girl." Her name was Athena Starwoman.
And three weeks after she passed away, I ran into a lovely woman
named Star in Las Vegas. She happens to be here today. And, if
it wasn't for her saying that, my former wife saying that, I don't
think I would have noticed it (INAUDIBLE).
KING: How do you find a soul mate, JZ?
KNIGHT: Well, a soul mate is equal to who we are, so the first
thing we have to do is fall in love with ourselves. We have to
like who we are. Otherwise, if we don't, we're going to get frequency
specific with people in our life that...
KING: Bad choices.
KNIGHT: ...reflect back to ourselves. So, first thing fall in
love with yourself. Be to you what you would love to have in another
KNIGHT: Then that person comes.
BECKWITH: What you're looking for you're looking with and so
as you begin, as JZ was talking about, to really fall in love
with and tap into those qualities of love and caring and generosity
and kindness and appreciation you begin to radiate those kind
of qualities into your life.
KING: Is it hard, John Assaraf, to get rid of the bad person
in your life?
ASSARAF: Is it hard to get rid of the bad person in your life?
KING: Yes, well let's say it isn't working but you hang on.
ASSARAF: It's very, very hard. We get so accustomed to our surroundings
and our environment and the relationships that we have. Anytime
that that is a part of our life releasing that is very, very difficult.
We don't like to change our environment. We don't like to change
our environment at work. We don't like to change our environment
with our relationships. It's very, very difficult. Anything that
we get accustomed to having in our life is very hard to let go
KING: We're doing things a little differently here tonight. We
do have a studio audience and we're going to take some questions.
And we'll start with Lisa, are you there?
LISA: Hi. My question is how does the law of attraction apply
to relationships because I can see how you could attract individual
goals but it's harder to see how you could visualize a specific
person that you want?
KING: Who wants to grab that, John?
PROCTOR: You shouldn't put a face on the person. See yourself
with all -- with the person with all those qualities. You're going
to move into that vibration and you'll attract them.
ASSARAF: I think it's important to understand, Larry, that, you
know, if we go back to the premise that all we are is energy and
that we will attract everything that we resonate with, so if we
are focusing on what we want in the person with all the attributes
and what he or she has and we believe with our whole heart and
soul that that person will be found and we allow the universe
to do its part while we, as JZ said, become that person filled
with love and beauty that we are, we will attract that person.
BECKWITH: I think it's clear, Lisa, also we have to define what
relationship is. And relationship is a joint participation in
the good of life or in the good of God. So, you're not going into
a relationship to get something from someone.
You're going into a relationship to be more yourself so that
you're with somebody this is the individual in which you get to
-- you feel comfortable being loving, giving, sharing, kind and
forgiving. But if you think you're going to get something from
the relationship, you're setting up a resistance there already.
KING: Why do we choose often, Bob, the wrong person?
PROCTOR: I think it goes back to what JZ said. We don't know
who we are.
KNIGHT: We don't know who we are.
PROCTOR: And we're searching for something outside of ourselves
so we see someone and think she's pretty. He does this, you know.
And so, you know, we're looking to get something there. It's like
Michael said, it's not what you get.
It really comes back, what Stanford taught me he said, "Get
to know who you are." And he said, "And start to understand
yourself and take control over your life. And until you do that,
nothing is going to work right."
ASSARAF: It's also -- sorry, Michael. It's also a function of
our self image of ourselves so we have an image, an unconscious
image of who we are, what we believe we can attract, what we deserve,
and we will look for that match in our life as long as we don't
change the internal image in our own mind, nothing will change.
KING: When we come back, I'll reintroduce the panel.
And, what if you wish for a million bucks, will you get it? Find
out when LARRY KING LIVE returns.
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ASSARAF: Your past results, OK, do not, do not represent what
you're capable of achieving. Well, from the age of 13 to about
19, I was involved with a group of kids that spent a lot of time
on the streets. And what I really wanted to do was make money.
I came from a family who had wonderful love and wonderful environment
but money wasn't something that my family knew how to make and
I wanted to live a better life.
And, I really took myself to educating myself about what does
it really take to make money? What does it take to build a company?
What does it take to have a great life? And fortunately for me
when I was 19, I found some wonderful mentors who asked me some
And so if you don't believe in your -- if you really, really,
really don't believe in your product or service, stop doing it.
Stop telling yourself a story that you've got to do it just because
I need the money. I need something to make an income.
And part of me believed them because they always told me that
if you didn't go to school, if you didn't get a degree, you couldn't
get a job. You couldn't take care of your family. So, there was
something that was nagging at me my whole life was, you know,
that's what people that I respected told me, not my parents fortunately
but everybody else said that.
To win in the game of life you've got to focus on winning the
game of life.
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KING: Our panel is Bob Proctor, John Assaraf, Michael Beckwith,
John DeMartini, and JZ Knight. JZ, you say you treat the universe
as a shopping cart and all you got to do is ask.
KNIGHT: I teach people that.
KING: Ask for $1 million and you get it?
KNIGHT: Well, what I teach people is, is that money comes as
a result of ingenious thoughts, creativity, because we're born
creators, and that when we create our day and we start out with
our day and say, "This day I will access information about
the future, technology and genius." And during that day great
thoughts come that start you on a journey of creating something
of value that as a consequence of that you get paid for it.
KING: Money follows.
KING: "Time" magazine had an article, "Does God
Want you to be Rich?" For several decades a philosophy has
been percolating in the 10 million strong Pentecostal wing of
Christianity that seems to turn the gospels on its head. In a
nutshell, it suggest that God who loves you does not want you
to be broke. It's been propelled by Joel Osteen's four million
selling book, "Your Best Life Now." Does he want you
to be rich?
ASSARAF: But most people don't understand...
KING: What does God care?
KNIGHT: But what isn't God?
KING: Why does God care if you've got $10 or $100.
KNIGHT: Isn't that small? Isn't that cheap?
ASSARAF: I think God cares because we work with business owners...
KING: Just asking.
ASSARAF: Larry, we work with business owners all over the world.
That's what we do. And the first thing we tell them is, if you
could figure out how to serve another human being, if you could
figure out how to give them your product or your service, and
figure out how to get that to the masses and serve them and do
well for them, you'll be rewarded with riches. Why wouldn't God
want every human being to be serve another?
PROCTOR: See, the possession of money is so ridiculously out
of balance. One percent of the population has about 96 percent
of all the money. We go through school, no one teaches us how
to earn money. We don't learn at home. And we grow up with the
idea you go to work to earn money. Working is the worst way to
earn money. You should go to work for satisfaction. You provide
services to earn money. You do. Wealthy people all have multiple
sources of income.
BECKWITH: The way I look at it is like this. We're here to deliver
our gifts, our talents and our capacities, and develop ourself
to our fullest potential and express ourself. Now, the universe,
the power, the presence, the love of God, whatever you want to
call this presence, wants your structures stable so that God can
express more through you.
KING: Another question from the audience from Kelsey -- Kelsey.
KELSEY: I love where I work. But I live within my means. However,
each month I'm living seemingly paycheck to paycheck. How do I
value what I earn, versus the satisfaction I get from working
at a career that I'm passionate about? PROCTOR: I don't think
you should mix them up. You're looking at your job as where you
get your money. Your job is where you get your satisfaction. Set
up different ways of serving people where you can earn money.
You don't have to be there. You can earn it while you're sleeping.
ASSARAF: You also can't look at your present circumstances and
allow it to control your thinking, because then you're going to
create more of the same circumstances. You've got to get out of
that loop and ask yourself, what I do really want to do, and then
KING: John, I came into my office today upstairs, on my door
was a vision board.
ASSARAF: We saw it.
KING: It had the kids, it had the wife, it had the job, the palm
trees for retirement. Forget the palm trees. OK.
And do you -- what are vision boards? I understand you have a
story about this, about the visualization.
ASSARAF: I do.
Many years ago, I looked at another way to represent some of
the materialistic things I wanted to achieve in my life, whether
it was a car or a house or anything. And so I started cutting
out pictures of things that I wanted. And I put those vision boards
up. And every day for probably about just two to three minutes,
I would sit in my desk and I would look at my board and I'd close
my eyes. And I'd see myself having the dream car and the dream
home and the money in the bank that I wanted and the money that
I wanted to have for charity.
Five years later, my one son Keenan (ph) came up to my office
and he sat on the boxes and said, you know, Daddy, what's in the
boxes? And I said, they're my vision boards, and they've been
in those boxes for five years. And so he didn't understand. So
I pulled out one of the vision boards, after opening up the box,
and there was a nice car and another little trinket that I wanted
to buy. And when I opened up, or pulled out the second vision
board, there was a picture of the home that I was living in right
now, that I had been living in for a year, had renovated it, and
didn't even know -- I swear to...
PROCTOR: He phoned me. He phoned me within two or three minutes
of that. I saw it on the board.
ASSARAF: The house that I live in.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We teach to do that, draw on a piece of
card what it is you want to manifest, and simply look at it and
be present with it. That's called creating a time trial to the
DEMARTINI: Our innermost dominant thought becomes our outermost
tangible reality. When I was 17 years old, I almost died. I lived
on the North Shore of Oahu in a tent. And I had the opportunity
to meet Paul Brag (ph), who's an amazing teacher who's 93 years
old. And he told me to write down my dreams -- not only for myself,
but my family, my community, my city, my state, my nation, and
my world -- and write it for at least 100 years. Today, all of
these years, 34 years, I've been master planning my life and one
of the things that I actually dreamed of doing is sitting here
facing you, saying what I'm about to say. So I know that it works.
KING: If one of you have a vision board with my picture on it,
I'll go to break.
Still ahead, can you make yourself healthy or just stop smoking
just by thinking about it? Find out more after this break.
DEMARTINI: One day leaving this health food store, I saw a little
flyer on a door, special guest -- guest speaker, Paul C. Brag,
Sunset Recreation Hall, North Shore of Oahu.
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DEMARTINI: The quality of your life is based on the quality of
the questions you ask. And ask questions inside, pull them out
of you. What do you really love to create in your life?
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DEMARTINI: And that night, I don't know how to describe it, it's
just something came over me and I said, I know what I want to
do. I want to become like this gentleman. I want to travel the
world. I want to dedicate my life to the study of universal laws,
as he was talking about, and I want to become a great teacher
and philosopher, and step foot in every country on the face of
the earth and share my research findings with people.
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DEMARTINI: Because if you don't plant the flowers in the garden
of your mind, everybody, you're going to be pulling weeds out
from everybody else's.
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DEMARTINI: And he said to me, every single day from the rest
of your life, say I am a genius and I apply my wisdom. Now here
I sat there, I'm a genius, I'm thinking, there's no way I'm a
genius. So I said it over and over again. And he made me say it
until I had my eyes closed and my body was congruent with it.
And he patted me on the shoulder and says, you never miss a day
for the rest of your life.
And that was the beginning of a journey of teaching, healing
and philosophy. I went on to be a scholar in school, I went premed
honor. I ended up being a chiropractic because I love the power
and philosophy of chiropractic. And it was just the most amazing
thing, because it believes the power inside us is what heals
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DEMARTINI: If you're going through life and you want to create
an amazing life, you better have a vision that far exceeds that.
You want perpetuity, you want a foundation that goes beyond it,
you want a vision that goes beyond it. There is an immortal calling
in all of us to do something magnificent with our life, that's
way bigger than our mortal body can see.
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KING: We're back.
J.Z., can you remove an illness just by thinking about it?
KNIGHT: Yes. I was a heavy smoker, and I was developing emphysema.
Most women like to smoke, most people that I knew did. And I went
and got a CAT scan, and when I saw the CAT scan of what my lungs
were doing, I knew I wasn't going to be alive very much longer.
And so I simply said, I'm going to go live somewhere in my brain
where I have always been well. And in that moment, I simply moved
what I am to a different neuronet in my brain.
KING: How, Michael, do we form the habits we have?
BECKWITH: Just doing something over and over and over again,
KING: But why would we do it, even if we don't like it?
BECKWITH: Well, it goes back to what we were saying at the earlier
part of the show. You have genetic programming and then you an
environmental influence. So you end up copying what you see around
DEMARTINI: And many times the very thing we're doing that we're
trying to get rid of, unconsciously, we have associations of benefits.
We underlying benefits that we're actually...
KING: How about those thing, though, Bob, like, drug addiction?
PROCTOR: Well, drug addiction is -- it's a habit. And it can
be changed. No, it can be changed. Many people change it.
KING: A habit that becomes a need.
PROCTOR: Millions of people change it, so it can be done. Millions
don't but there is millions that...
BECKWITH: Individuals that are addicted oftentimes are looking
for something that they're finding temporarily, in a counterfeit
way, through that drug or through that momentary high. And your
brain can produce that without the drug.
PROCTOR: See, I think the problem goes back -- we don't know
ourself. We can go right through our educational system, the best
schools in the world, and come out and know virtually nothing
ASSARAF: There's really two parts of our brain, One is the conscious
mind,, which we now know is only responsible for only two to four
percent of our behaviors. So we could have the desire, the want,
the need, the passion for change, but there's another side of
our psyche, the nonconscious mind, that we now know controls 96
to 98 percent of our conditioned way of doing, being, seeing and
behaving every single day.
So you can have the desire, but you this program running at a
nonconscious level that's going to keep you at your status quo,
whether you're a drug addict, whether you're broke. That's why
most people, Larry, who win the Lottery, for example, 86 percent
of them give away all the money, is because they are conditioned
at a nonconscious level to be broke. Their self-image and their
self-worth is going to dictate their self-wealth. And that, by
the way, I heard from this great guy, John DeMartini. He's absolutely
PROCTOR: If we're coaching people to change, we have them in
a 13 month program.
KING: Does rehab work?
DEMARTINI: It all depends. I go back to the value system because
the hierarchy of one's values dictates their destiny. And so if
they have an unconscious motive and unconscious value to continue
doing something, all the comments to them really don't mean anything.
They have to have an unconscious drive to accomplish what they
want to do.
And so what I do, and I have people that are so-called label
addicts, I go in there and ask them all the benefits that they're
getting out of it and bring the unconscious conscious first. And
when they discover 100 benefits that they're unconsciously getting
out of being the drug addict, it blows their mind to realize why
they're really doing what they're doing.
KING: Michael, what causes relapse?
BECKWITH: Exactly what he's saying here. The benefits, the temporary
benefits of getting that momentary high. They haven't yet seen
KING: You miss it, so you want it?
BECKWITH: They're craving, the body, the mind, the chemicals
that are being produced. They don't quite understand that those
chemicals, those endorphins can be produced from a sense of connection.
KING: But we're in a drug conscious society. Look at all of the
legal drugs to stop your pain, make you feel better, do this,
DEMARTINI: A pill for every ill. KING: A pill for every ill.
ASSARAF: We've got the best pharmacy in the world, right here,
in our brain.
KNIGHT: It's true.
ASSARAF: No pharmacy can compare with the human mind.
PROCTOR: There's a genius system built within us to keep us in
excellent working order if we were to understand it. Understanding
is the key.
ASSARAF: We become addicted to the emotions.
KNIGHT: We are addicted to our emotions. That's the greatest
addiction there is.
PROCTOR: You did your show a little while ago. I was watching
where you had the fellow on that took Proverbs over 31 days.
KING: Yes, Solomon.
PROCTOR: Yes, well. What did Solomon say? He said, in all your
getting, get understanding. And the opposite of understanding
is doubt and worry. The only way to get understanding is to study,
there's no other way to get it.
KING: We'll be right back. And just ahead, what are you doing
that prevents your own happiness?
Don't go away.
KNIGHT: So I sort of grew up and I -- knowing every day that
if I prayed to God, that everything that I asked for would always
get taken care of. I just thought everybody did. As I grew into
a mature woman and got married and had children, I just went on
my destiny knowing that there was something big could happen in
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KNIGHT: This day I love God. This day, the wisdom and love of
God shines through me. It is my reality. I say that all of the
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KNIGHT: All these years, it has been to help people to understand,
first off, that they're divine, the capacity is inside of them
to do marvelous things, are innate in them, that things that happen
to them, it is not things happening to them, but the source leaking
out of them.
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KNIGHT: All of this, is spiritual because spirit is thought.
It's the intangible ghost of reality that reality comes from.
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KNIGHT: And in creating your day, the first thing you have to
say is, that I'm wonderful, I'm filled with wonder. I am my greatest
mystery. And this day what I say will manifest and I will experience
the wonder of myself.
KING: We're back.
What a show tonight. We promise to do more on this.
Let's take another question from our audience. And start with
VALERIE: Hi. I'm self-employed and staying focussed and clear-
headed about all my goals, both professionally and personally,
can be really challenging. What's your advice for staying positive
and patient with so much uncertainty in my professional life?
BECKWITH: It comes down to your practice. Everything that we've
talked about here, it comes down to the word practice, that you
begin to develop the habit of doing something every single day
in your life. Describe your life and how it's going to be. Begin
to tell yourself that life is for you and not against you. Begin
to be aware that there's something trying to emerge through you
Since you are an infinite being and you're here to progress,
there is always something trying to emerge for you right now.
So you're not sitting around waiting for the New Age. You're on
the new edge. Something is trying to happen.
KNIGHT: And you're wonderful. And everything that you think matters.
So you're worries matter. So what you have to do, you have to
get up, first thing in the morning and create your day, and say
this day, I'm a genius. Not only am I a genius, I create a new
reality that is fulfilling and without worry. All day long.
KING: OK, another audience question. And this one is from Bonnie.
BONNIE: I's like to know how do you change a negative perception
of an aging body and mind into a positive acceptance of the same
age and body and mind?
KING: You are what you feel?
DEMARTINI: Well, you know, I think we're blessed because as we
mature, our eyesight tends to get a little bit weakened and our
hearing tends to go. So I think what the universe has done is
make sure that we can't see what we see in the mirror. So the
best thing to do is honor your sight as it starts to fade and
you can appreciate what it does. No, but every single day it is
wise to concentrate on what you do love about yourself, instead
of focussing on what you don't.
KNIGHT: May I ask you tomorrow morning, if you want to be 30
years younger, your genes, here everything you say...
KNIGHT: ... you have a code for your entire attitude. When you
wake up in the morning and decide, today, I am going to be 30
years younger and fabulous. And if you do that, you start creating
proteins in your self that replicates that attitude.
PROCTOR: Quakers have a saying, pray and move your feet. I think
what you've got to do is get out and exercise. I went over to
a gym, a guy named Eli Palmer (ph), he took a look at me and he
said, you're just going keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger
around the waist. And I started to work with the guy, get up at
5:00 in the morning, I'm in the gym at 6:00 in the morning and
work for an hour. I taken three inches off my waist.
KING: You're all saying happiness is attainable?
BECKWITH: Happiness is the natural state of our being.
KNIGHT: It is a natural state of being, without fear. Without
ASSARAF: It's not condition based.
DEMARTINI: I think when we're authentic with our true values,
we have fulfillment.
KING: One more audience question from Bernie -- Bernie.
What is the best way to retain a positive attitude while investing
in a volatile stock market?
PROCTOR: Quit investing in the volatile stock market.
KING: Don't do it.
PROCTOR: And don't do it. Change your behavior.
ASSARAF: Even if you're investing in a volatile stock market,
you've got to keep one thing in mind, and that's not the stock
market. It's your perception of the stock market. There are people
who invest in volatile stock markets that don't get affected emotionally
by it. BERNIE: Right.
ASSARAF: And so if they don't get emotionally affected by it,
then it's not the stock market. It's the individual's perception
of the stock market. So when you change the way you look at something,
the thing you look at will change.
KNIGHT: Remember, you create reality. You have it in you. Consciousness
and energy creates reality. What you think matters. Your opinions
help to affect the whole and your eventual outcome in reality.
DEMARTINI: If the stock market goes up, you're paying more dollar
per stock share. If it goes down, you're getting it for less.
So there's blessings on either side. Knowing that both of them
are valuable and staying long-term with it.
KING: I got to get a break.
But Michael, do affirmations work?
BECKWITH: Affirmations definitely work. They help you keep your
attention, allowing that kind of energy to flow. They're not going
to make something happen, but they make something welcome.
KING: Ahead in our final segment, how you can jumpstart your
new life. Stick around for more of LARRY KING LIVE.
KING: We're back with our final moments with our outstanding
panel. We're going to do more of this and we just brought up a
I just said the air conditioner's not working in here.
BECKWITH: And now it is.
KING: And that bothers me. And you said, live with it. Right?
BECKWITH: No, I said I'm cool. And now it's working.
KNIGHT: We know how to create a reality.
KING: You just got cool.
KNIGHT: Come to class, Larry.
KING: You've all written books, right?
KING: Is that the best way for anyone watching to jumpstart,
read one of the books? I mean, what is -- how do we... PROCTOR:
I think the best way to start is get a CD or a DVD and play it
over and over and over again.
KING: By one of you?
PROCTOR: Well, the best one -- the best thing I have seen in
45 years, Larry, is the DVD "On the Secret". To get
it, go to thesecret.tv. It was made out of Australia. It is the
best thing I have ever seen done in this industry.
KNIGHT: I think you would be very simple -- everybody gets up
and says, what kind of life I do want from this day forward? And
I'm going to write it down and I'm going to say this is who I
KNIGHT: To say, this is who I am. And negotiate your day through
what you said. That's how you start.
ASSARAF: If anybody wants to have more, whether it's a business,
whether it's more money, they have to become more. And the only
way to do that, OK, first is to educate yourself. And our society
has gotten lost in teaching children how to memorize. Education
is when we learn something, we get instructions on how to do something,
and then we experience it. That's really the education that we
want. And so that for me is pick a lane, pick something that you
can choose, to move your life forward to the next level.
PROCTOR: There is three of us, Dr. Martini, Michael Beckwith
and myself, are going to working together next week -- is it two
weeks -- at PSI Seminars. I don't own the company, but it is the
best course I've ever seen. And it is all up and down the West
Coast, it's in different parts of the world.
KNIGHT: Our course is the best course I've ever seen.
PROCTOR: Well, I think the program that...
DEMARTINI: All of our courses are outstanding.
KNIGHT: All of our courses are fabulous.
DEMARTINI: My mother said to me, when she was putting me to bed
when I was four years old, she said, son, before you go in the
dream world, be sure to count your blessings, because those who
are grateful for that they have, they get more to be grateful
for. And I always say that that's the best way to start each day
and end this day is in the state of gratitude.
BECKWITH: I'd like to say something about that. I absolutely
agree that it's so powerful. The enlightened give thanks for what
most people take for granted.
As you begin to be grateful for what most people take for granted,
that vibration of gratitude makes you more receptive to good in
KING: J.Z., isn't change the hardest and most feared thing we
KNIGHT: It is the most feared thing that we do because we're
afraid of reprisal as a result of it. But change is a natural
order of our being. We are creating reality every day. We're here
to make known the unknown. It is innate in us, it's a part of
our mechanism, it's a part of how our brain works. It's what we
do best, but it's in a society that doesn't celebrate that.
PROCTOR: And change is inevitable, but personal growth is choice.
BECKWITH: But we are here to change. We are here to grow, develop
and unfold. We are progressive beings that have infinite capacity.
KING: But we all fear it.
BECKWITH: We do until embrace the fact that we are here to grow.
So that you say, how you to jumpstart? You wake up every day and
you want to be different at the end of the day. You don't want
to be the same person you go to bed at night. You want to have
had an insight and a haha, you want to have done a new action.
You would have said something new, so that you want to see yourself
changing and becoming more yourself on a regular basis.
DEMARTINI: I was -- I had the opportunity to speak for Mary Kay
Ash (ph) many years ago. And I had the opportunity to interview
and chat with her afterwards. And I said, Mary, if there's any
advice you could give me -- I was in my 20s at the time -- for
me in my life, what with a you say?
And she said every single morning before you get and start your
day, to sit down and write down the seven highest priority actions
you could do today, because whoever sets the agenda brings the
destiny about. And I started doing that. And I started compiling
a list of the things that were truly important to me. And I noticed
I increased the probability of those happening in my life just
because I concentrated and I took...
KNIGHT: And we do them every day. We do that every day. I do
that every morning.
DEMARTINI: At the end of the day, be grate grateful for all the
different things that you accomplished. Those two things make
a huge difference.
PROCTOR: ... taught me the same thing. He said six things, same
BECKWITH: Awareness. Awareness. Choice is a function of awareness.
And he's just described how you build your awareness.
KING: You have been an outstanding panel. I hope to do this again.
I learned a lot of secrets about life here tonight. We hope everybody
takes advantage of them.
Our guests have been Bob Proctor, John Assaraf, Michael Beckwith,
John Demartini and J.Z. Knight.
And our subject has been "Beyond the Power of Positive Thinking:
How to Change Your Life".
We hope we've helped you.
Anderson Cooper is the host of -- "AC 360" is next.
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